I wanted to bring attention to something that worries me regarding modding support and the current avatar system.
Right now, teen Zois use the exact same base body structure as adult Zois, which means that any adult body/outfit mod can potentially be used on teen characters with little to no restriction. This includes mods that were very obviously never intended for teen characters in the first place.
I know modding freedom is important, and I support creators having tools to expand the game creatively, but there needs to be a stronger separation between teens and adults before the modding ecosystem grows larger.
Right now, body presets are divided into an “adult” category which applies from teen to elders and a “youth” category that applies to children. This mean that oversexualized clothing created for young adults and older zois can (and will be by some people, unfortunately) applied to teenagers in game.
Some possible solutions could be:
Giving teen Zois a separate base body from adults
Separating teen and adult categories entirely inside the ModKit
Enforcing age-range separation on CurseForge uploads
Preventing adult-tagged mods from loading on teen Zois somehow
Moreover, some of the current teen body sliders need limits or adjustments. The female chest and butt sliders in particular can already be pushed to extremes that feel very inappropriate for teen characters. Combined with unrestricted mod compatibility, it creates a situation that could become really problematic later on.
I’d really like to hear what other players think too, because I can’t be the only person uncomfortable with how little separation currently exists between teen and adult avatars/mod compatibility.
I don’t want to offend anyone, but let’s be honest: if someone really wants to sexualize teenagers in their game, they’ll find a way to do it one way or another. Given that nowadays they’re sometimes indistinguishable from adults in games, I don’t see much harm in it—essentially, we’re looking at an adult character who’s just labeled as a “teenager.” So it doesn’t really provoke any particular reaction from me.
Maybe I see it this way simply because I’m not interested in the topic—dressing children in inappropriate clothing. So it doesn’t really affect me at all. And of course, this shouldn’t exist in the official base game. But again, anyone who wants to do it will definitely find ways through third-party mods. And the rest of us, like me or you, simply won’t do it because it seems strange and frankly unnecessary to us.
So I don’t see a real problem here. Everyone will get what they want one way or another anyway The issue is just that if there’s clothing incompatibility, it’ll turn out that completely normal, appropriate adult clothing also won’t fit teenagers, and this will create inconvenience for all those who have nothing bad in mind and simply want to have the same sweater or pants for both young and adult ages, but can’t get them because it wasn’t made “for teenagers.”
I couldn’t agree more Moody, seeign some of the mods out there I think the best approach would be to separate these categories on the modkit. If someone “really wants to sexualize teenagers” it shouldn’t be possible in an official easy way. It’s creepy and should not even be legal.
Teenagers are underage and sexualizing them in any manner is CP, just a reminder. Of course people who are into that will find a way or another, but it should be everybody’s concern to make it as difficult as possible for them to do that, and certainly official modding tools shouldn’t allow that. They want to use third-party mods? Sure. But it shouldn’t be easy for them, and it certainly shouldn’t be officially supported.
Modders could simply make a teenage version of any mod they want to apply to teenagers too, just like you can do children version of mods by adjusting the mesh to a different avatar. As a modder, really, it’s not that big of an inconvenience.
Thank you . They should be indeed separated. It makes no sense for a teenager to be able to wear the kind of clothing that is already being modded through Curseforge, and let’s not forget that in–game adolescents (12-15) still use the same effing body preset. It needs to be fixed.
I understand and agree with your overall concern regarding bad actors and inappropriate mod usage involving underage Zois. I also agree that clearer age separation/mod restrictions probably would be a good safeguard as the modding ecosystem grows.
That said, I do want to gently push back on one part of the discussion because I think it’s important to be careful about how we frame body types.
When conversations start implying that naturally larger chests, hips, or glutes on teen characters are inherently “inappropriate,” it can unintentionally drift into body shaming territory, especially for people from ethnic backgrounds where those body types naturally occur at younger ages.
There are girls all over the world, including many Black, Latina, Middle Eastern, Pacific Islander, and other non-European populations, whose bodies naturally develop differently and often earlier than what is typically represented in games or media. Those players also deserve to see themselves represented without their bodies being treated as automatically vulgar or sexual.
So I think the real issue is less:
“certain body types should be restricted”
…and more:
“adult/sexualized mods and content should have stronger safeguards and separation from teen characters.”
Those are two very different conversations.
I genuinely do not think that was your intention, and I appreciate that your broader point is about protecting boundaries within modding spaces. I just think it’s important that discussions around safety/moderation don’t accidentally stigmatize real body types in the process.
I’m not a modder, so it’s hard for me to judge. My main concern here is that the implementation won’t cause a sharp reduction in available clothing for teens.
There’s also the question of what counts as “sexualization”? After all, I can strip any character down to a swimsuit. Is the idea that we need to introduce some kind of censorship on swimwear? But developers have already implemented “naked body protection,” and if you don’t modify the game further — even under somewhat revealing underwear, gray body areas will show through, right? I think someone even complained about that, if I’m not mistaken.
Yeah, I agree with that too. I think this isn’t even just about ethnic groups, but also about, for example, being overweight.
If you want to create a very heavy girl — you’d have to maximize all available volume proportions, including chest and buttocks. With a male character — the same applies, though mostly just in the buttocks area. Otherwise the result will look ridiculous.
In short, I’m for reasonable restrictions, but only when they don’t harm realism. We should be able to dress any teen the way they could actually go outside today, and without attracting the attention of law enforcement I think that approach would be reasonable.
I understand your concerns, but unfortunately distinguishing these age groups based on appearance is not in line with reality. As a mother of two now-adult children, I can tell you that my daughter was already taller than me at 13, and at 15 unfortunately attracted the attention of adults.
Any other forms of distinction could become censorship, which some creators will work around with great determination. As we know, forbidden fruit is always the most appealing.
Absolutely! My zoi adopted a female child. Because she was adopted, I had no idea what to expect, but when the child grew up into an adolescent, she had the largest breasts and buttocks I’d seen on any zoi. She’s supposed to be thirteen or so!!!
It’s not just unrealistic, it’s confusing and problematic. In another post, I raised the issue of trying to have a young adult flirt with a zoi before realising they were an adolescent. Adding the issue of modded lingerie just makes it so much worse.
I understand your argument but in real life we get a lot more contextual cues as to a person’s age.
I don’t think they necessarily need to be shorter than adults but we do need a clearer visual distinction between adolescents and adults. While its true that in real life, adolescents and teenagers will attract the attention of adults, this isn’t something we want to actively support in the game, and we don’t want to make it unnecessarily difficult for players to avoid (see my previous post for more information).
I think the distinction is important in modding, because some modders would feel uncomfortable to know that their modded lingerie is being used to dress adolescents in a provocative manner. This isn’t so much about censorship - as many people commented, anyone who wants to dress adolescents in erotic clothing will find away. I think it’s important as a way to provide modders with more options for how they and others use their mods (without further modification).
Yes, I’ve experienced that too. Not because I tried to flirt, but simply couldn’t understand why I wasn’t seeing those options. And only later did I notice it was a teenager
But then it’s really just about us wanting to see a greater visual distinction between the teenager and adult categories, that’s all. From a moral standpoint, the developers have already thought of everything: flirting isn’t possible.
Yes. You’re right. It’s not really a moral issue. It’s just something that’s really been bothering me lately and apparently I’ve gotten very dramatic in my frustration
I agree about the Adolescent issue. But Teens reach the age of majority between 18-21. This much conservatism is too much.Restricting the mods of Teen Zoi’s would be ridiculous.
I’m not even talking about making the body physically different from adults, that’s an entire different conversation. Adults and teen share the same body preset for data assets, which means if somebody makes an outfit that is literally a naked body with three starts covering the nipples and the private parts, it can be applied to teenager in game, even if it wasn’t created for them.
I welcome censorship if it protect’s children rights.
However smart or advances teenagers are these days, sexualized teenager content is CP. Teenagers are minors. How is it an exaggeration to simply ask for the adult mods to not be applied to teenagers in game? I’m not talking about swimsuits as somebody said above, I’m talking about clearly sexualized outfits like the one you would find in a s-x shop.
Nobody mentioned swimwear. Swimwear is not sexualized inherently. These are the type of mods I’m talking about (no shade on the modders, these were never intended to be applied on teenagers! the problem is you can do it, and I think we should restrict that simpyl).
Proportions can be maximized in ways that do not reflect reality. I know people with big sizes in different parts of the body and they do not look like the sexualized creations that are allowed with the maximization of body sliders.
I don’t think a teenager would dress like in the pictures above.
Even if that was the case, I suspicious of the kind of person who would purposefuly choose to dress a teenager like that in game.
Of course teens don’t wear these. i agree. But they wear mini skirts , mini shorts , swimsuits and similar things do you want restrictions on those too? I thought you wanted restrictions on all short dresses.
These outfits are terrible, but I don’t see a way to limit their use on teenagers. How would you even do that?
The only way to protect teenage characters from the possibility of inappropriate clothing is to remove that age group from the game, and we don’t want that. Otherwise it’s tilting at windmills. There will always be modders who create such outfits for teenagers, and there will always be players who use them.
By the way, teenagers aren’t children. In some cultures, they even get married.
Of course not. The shell option, to be honest, doesn’t bother me—they don’t remind me of anything inappropriate. But I admit that for some people they might. The second picture—the red “stripe”—yeah, that’s overly explicit, I agree. But the last two—you know, I’ve actually seen something similar on beaches on 15-16-year-old girls. The only difference is that these outfits presumably leave the buttocks almost completely uncovered, whereas the real-life swimsuit models I’ve seen had a fairly covered appearance from behind.
It’s just that, like @Agakp0, I think—as I’ve already said—that whoever wants to see that in the game on teenagers (and yes, I want to repeat again that teenagers are no longer children) will find a way to do it anyway.
It just seems to me that this will reduce the number of available outfits for this age category. Regular clothes. I recently created a family with a single teenager (I hadn’t played with them before) to check if you really can play InZOI without adults. And I created them as a “young adult” so it would be clearer who they’d grow into. So when I switched to the teenager later—some of my clothes changed. And it turns out that even now there are clothes that aren’t shared between these age groups. Note—I used standard clothing, and there wasn’t even a hint of anything improper for the adult version.
I don’t know how it’s implemented now (I’m not a modder, as I mentioned). But there are already some restrictions in place. You say that regular clothing for teenagers won’t decrease, but can you really say that with 100% certainty?
The issue is just that if there’s clothing incompatibility, it’ll turn out that completely normal, appropriate adult clothing also won’t fit teenagers, and this will create inconvenience for all those who have nothing bad in mind and simply want to have the same sweater or pants for both young and adult ages, but can’t get them because it wasn’t made “for teenagers.”
. They should be indeed separated. It makes no sense for a teenager to be able to wear the kind of clothing that is already being modded through Curseforge, and let’s not forget that in–game adolescents (12-15) still use the same effing body preset. It needs to be fixed.
I think that approach would be reasonable.
