Poll: How do you handle / generate / download textures & how you feel about sharing these via Canvas uploads?

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  • I individually create textures / pictures myself
  • I download textures / pictures from free sites
  • I generate textures / pictures with external AI tools (e.g. ChatGPT)
  • I generate textures / pictures with the Inzoi AI
  • I don´t care if the textures /pictures are shared via Canvas upload
  • Sharing the textures /pictures via Canvas is fine as long as I am credited
  • I generally do not want to share the textures / pictures via Canvas uploads
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Lately I noticed in several threads that there is a concern when the textures/pictures in houses, outfits etc. are shared when sharing the outfit or house on Canvas.

I am not sure I fully see the point and thus would be interested to understand how you all handle textures? Do you download them on free sites or generate these with AI (e.g. ChatGPT or the built in AI in Inzoi)? Or do you really paint / photograph or generate them yourselves?

For me personally it would be way to time consuming to generate them myself. I tend to get the textures and pictures from free sites or generate them with ChatGPT which makes much better results compared to the internal AI in the game. Thus I do not really care if the texture is passed over through Canvas.

I understand though that if you spent a lot of time to individually create a texture or picture that you then would like to be credited. What makes it kind of hard to do automatically in Canvas is that I would not insist on being credited for a texture which I created in 2 seconds with ChatGPT while for somebody who spent hours to individually create a texture it would be important.

On a sidenote: I see that they are planning to give us the option to not share the texture when sharing an outfit. Does this really make sense? If it is not a mod based outfit then without the textures there would be no point in downloading it, you can just look at it and click it together yourself. This is a little different for houses but still you would get a completely different looking house without the used textures as the harmony and atmosphere of a room would be gone if all textures and pictures are randomly replaced and the downloader would need to spend quite some time to get the house to look good again.

Let me know your thoughts on this topic and how you handle it on your end? Might be even options I have not thought of, so I am curios to see your take on this.

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Personally, I think ppl over-react with this.
It does not matter to me if you did it yourself or if an AI did it for you and you take credit.
Once you put it on canvas, it’s available to the gaming community at large, and since it’s downloaded to the user’s computer, no matter how hard it is tried, the textures will ALWAYS be able to be plucked out and used.

What would be needed to alleviate the issue, would be auto-credit for all objects/textures/empty shell of a house that is used when you export a creation and have used other ppl’s stuff.

I don’t care what ppl do with my textures. If I ever download a house one day and it has 2-3 of my textures I will smile and say : “There’s a part of me in that creation, cool !” and that will be the end of it.

It’s the same issue with housing right now. You can create 4 large walls, a flight of stair to reach the balcony and/or 2nd floor. Have NO decoration, No colors (default white/greys), NO furniture, not even a toilet and a stove… completely empty house… And upload it on canvas. BOB sees it downloads it and spend 3 weeks decorating it, enlarging certain rooms, completely overhauling the exterior landscaping, completely remodel the second floor… Countless hours and sweat spent on that creation… But when Bob proudly shares his creation on Canvas, it’s not him that get the credit, it’s the original dud that just plopped something down on friday night in 30min.

The whole thing is ridiculous if you ask me, and ppl are blowing it out of proportion.
I guess if you are a genuine artist that spent 3 days designing this single (gorgeous) large painting, you’d want to protect your art… But then again uploading it in a game where everyone can access it freely ? Not a wise thing. Better to upload it on an artist’s protected website and not a game.

Anyways, enough ranting.
They just need to auto-credit those in “contributor tab” at the bottom when you upload, end of story
(PS same for house, the original owner should always be credited as the contributor, not the author from someone that re-works the property after, and might have taken dozen of hours to mold that property for their own needs).

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@Samuriko thank you for sharing your thoughts! And I fully agree with your point. Glad to see it is not only me as I lately started to have the feeling that most ppl see this differently.

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Btw, your Simple Cahaya Starter - Kenanga-Laut-House is gorgeous and using it for my current playthru, really good textures as well. Just reworked the property slightly and redid the farming area by adding 3 large lot of 44 farming lots).

Not sure if you use discord or if you saw my original post about this over there.
So, thank you !

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I guess this is a legal issue.
You can download and do what you want with any content from the internet as long as you keep it to yourself, but as soon as you upload/share other peoples stuff, you act against the law.

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i think what people are upset about is that the credits are gone/can be removed (which isn’t supposed to be)

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@Samuriko I am not a frequent discord user as it is really hard to have a proper conversation there. But now of course I had to go searching :wink: Great photo and thank you so much :blush:

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@LennyOgg I think that this really depends on the site. There are sites allowing free download without attribution and there are even sites offering AI generated stuff. As for AI generated there is no copyright if I ask ChatGPT to create me a knitted red pattern. So I actually think I can share it, use it or do whatever I want with that. At least this is my understanding and knowledge so far.

@Scarlett This I can understand if you really have created the texture yourself. But on the other side I would not like to credit myself for 2 seconds asking an AI to generate me the needed texture. But if you leave it optional then again people could also remove the credit for the ones who really spent hours to individually create each texture. So probably there is no perfect one fits all solution.

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i was browsing yesterday trough canvas and a lot of things looked amazing, yk its not this usual lazy pattern, they somehow made it as one picture which has to be edited first with canvas or whatever to make it work that way

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found this yesterday and i understand why people want credit for things like this which probably took some time and creativity to make

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Yes, I agree and generally I think it is always the best when they just automatically credit it, so that nobody is offended.

I just thought it is quite strange that now even the discussions start coming up to only share the outfit without the texture for example. The outfit in your picture would then really make no sense to even download as all you would then get is the standard items in canvas which you can click together yourself in 2 minutes.

What I was referring to are textures and pictures like this. These are all created with ChatGPT and thus free to share. Of course it takes a little to get what you want out of the AI tool of your choice but in those cases I would not care if others use and share the textures also without crediting.

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yea i agree

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It depends on what you do with the thing you’ve downloaded. With a lot of free images you can use them as you want as long as you’ve changed them in some way. As long as you’ve edited them so that they don’t look exactly the same as they on the website, it’s fine. Also, you are meant to credit the source, but that’s no always easy to do.

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Being able to download only the outfit from Canvas and not the texture makes no sense.
For example, I upload a lot of clothes to Canvas; they’re mods with textures I’ve changed. If the downloader only gets the mod, why would they do that? They can do it from the mod, and they’d still have to create the textures themselves.
So I imagine the downloaded texture will always be available with that outfit.
The problem, if anything, arises (not for me, I don’t care), if someone downloads my texture and, in addition to using it in game, reshares it on Canvas as their own. It would be nice if they at least got credit.
I never use textures from sites that create them ready-made, free or otherwise. I look for fabrics or clothes in catalogs and then adapt them. This is never very simple, because the clothes are made of squares that repeat the texture, but it’s not as laborious as inventing one and creating it.
The AI ​​almost never meets my expectations; maybe I’m not using the right prompts :slight_smile:

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I fully agree with you @mialuce66 that there is absolutely no point in downloading an outfit with or without mod without the textures. If it uses the default clothes from game you can just click it together yourself and if it is a mod then you get the mod itself and not an outfit with the mod but without the textures.

But they are bringing this feature now and I really don´t get why. Except that there might be too many having the concern that their textures are shared. That´s also why I was interested to understand your thoughts on this. It was stated by Kjun in the latest update. See the part where he states it here:

As for the AI generation at least for external AI tools it works quite well if you give them an idea (link or photo) of a dress or a wall painting or as you say from catalogs or online shops. Then they create something which fits at least the vibe and the fabric even though it is not exactly the same. And also if you tell them to make it seamless it is at least quite Ok for clothes, carpets, sofas, walls etc. even though of course not always, sometimes you have to tune it several times until you get what you want.

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same, i think instead of giving a useless option “no texture, just default outfit that you can just have by your own bleugh” i think there should be a automod or something on canvas which tries to detect reuploaded textures that hasn’t been changed significiantly and is missing credits when its obvious that the pattern created someone else. it could be a ai thing trying to compare and if it finds duplicates it checks if it has credits from the original source, if not, the listing will be put private

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actually what i think he means is that others can disable that you can use the texture on other outfit but the texture on the outfit will stay, but its restricted on that outfit

cuz when u download smth with a custom texture u have the texture file itself into the available options, i think with that restriction you wont have the texture so you cant edit it

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Instead of putting creation private, just automatically add the contributor’s name and that’s it.
It would annoy me that all my creation would be forced private because I used a rug/painting/bed pattern that I had gotten long ago from a previous download.

If the AI finds a positive match, just automatically append the contributor.
Same thing if it finds a very similar house (or 99% similar), add the original author as contributor.

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the issue is that credits ARE given, its literally in the contributers but they can be removed (intentional or not) which is the issue

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If that is the case then its fine. I was worried that they would make it completely meaningless to even download outifts or houses.

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March-May, I did a few free “texture” websites. I still occasionally use them today.

Around June, I started using non-inZOI AI to create them bc I was not finding what I was looking for on the internets and I do not want to spend time laboring over them, bc I would, lol. Shout out to the artistes that do tho!

AI has worked out well for me and I enjoy the efficient, creative control. SO many awesome mods to install that allow custom textures, and I find that to be one of my absolute favorite aspects of the game. However, working out how to compile “the perfect prompt” was trial and error.

I have had great luck starting off something like:
”Create a seamless 5000 x 5000 dpi texture…”

More specifically I use variations of this all the time:
”Creat a seamless 5000 x 5000 dpi texture that looks like a delicate, gauzy fabric…”

Personally, I do not mind if my textures are re-used. Would I like to get credit for them? Sure, why not! I am proud of them or I would not have sent them out into the world. Thanks AI! But I also know it is too easy to include them in a creation and not even realize it.

I guess if someone altered the filename to intentionally remove historical data, disguising its origins, that would be mildly annoying. But also, karma is a… :wink:

I download a lot on Canvas and have never, ever noticed this happening. I am not worried about any of it. Also, I would be low-key flattered someone liked something I created that much to go through the trouble, lol.

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